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International Development
(26/10/06)
The Secretary of State for International Development
(Hilary Benn): I wish to begin by thanking all
those who contributed to the White Paper that is the subject of today’s
far too brief debate. I hope that those who take a careful note of what we
say in this Chamber will recognise the desire on both sides of the House
for more time to discuss these very important matters. I wish to thank
Members on both sides of the House who have contributed to the White
Paper, and the remarkable civil servants at DFID who wrote it. I also wish
to thank my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary for his unstinting support and
guidance.
For me, the White Paper was the result of
three years in this extraordinary job, years in which I have learned a
great deal and reflected much on the causes of global poverty and what
needs to be done to help so many of our fellow human beings to transform
their own lives. The facts are painfully clear. It is a scandal—there is
no other word for it—that we live in a world where every minute a woman
dies in pregnancy or childbirth; where every day, dirty water kills 5,000
children; and where, every year, malaria claims 1 million lives,
tuberculosis 2 million lives and AIDS 3 million lives. But for me, the
greatest scandal of all is that that happens, not in a time of famine and
global war, but in an age of unprecedented potential. It happens in a
world eight times richer than it was 50 years ago.
That potential—the power of politics to change
things, of economic development to transform lives, of scientific
ingenuity to save lives, and of working together to make all this
happen—is immense. But so are the challenges that we face as trade,
technology, migration, climate change, terrorism and disease mould our
world into a new shape.
Just consider. As more and more people in the
developing world move to towns and cities to try to improve their lives,
where will the homes, the water, the sanitation, the public services and
the jobs they will need come from? As the world’s population increases by
half as much again in the next two generations, how will we stop many of
the as yet unborn from emerging into a life of grinding poverty? How will
we cope with pandemics such as avian flu or severe acute respiratory
syndrome that could spread right across the globe if they are not dealt
with quickly? What will we do if rapid economic change, inequality and
arguments over scarce resources result in violence? How will we deal with
the effects of the climate change that is already upon us, never mind that
which is yet to come? How will we deal with the rising sea levels, the
floods, droughts, hurricanes and crop failures, or with the movements of
people who will not stay still to drown or die of thirst?
The challenge is simply daunting, but as we
contemplate the future, one thing is clear beyond doubt—without good
governance we will not be able to defeat poverty, or climate change, or
war, or famine. That is why we put good governance at the heart of this
White Paper.
Good governance is important for all
countries, but especially for those fragile states in which 300 million of
the world’s poorest people live. In those states, corruption is often more
prevalent, Government structures are weaker and violent conflict is more
likely. I really welcome yesterday’s International Development Committee
report on conflict and development, which said that investing in the
causes of conflict is much better, and much less costly in money or lives,
than trying to pick up the pieces later.
Peace and security are the fundamental
expressions of good governance. There cannot be any development in
countries where there is conflict. That is why the UK has helped to build
peace and security in Mozambique and Rwanda, for example. It is why we are
doing the same in Sierra Leone, the Democratic Republic of the Congo,
Afghanistan and Iraq, and why we are trying to secure peace in Darfur. I
want to take this opportunity to pay tribute to the humanitarian workers,
to our staff and to local staff, to the people working for
non-governmental organisations and to the soldiers of many nations for the
courage and professionalism that they show in those most difficult of
places.
We are going to increase our efforts in
fragile states, and invest more in at least 10 countries where security is
a major concern. We will help with reintegrating excombatants, and we will
support access to justice and monitor human rights. We will try to reduce
the spread of small arms, and that will include trying to win support for
an international arms trade treaty.
Good governance is also about effective states
that are capable of doing things for their people, and about creating the
conditions in which economies can flourish so people can have the chance
to earn a living. Effective states respond to what people want and need
and, in turn, can be held to account. Good governance means that people
have the right to choose their leaders and change them, and to have a say
and to be heard. Good governance is about ensuring the rule of law. It is
about good policing and upholding human rights and freedoms. It is about
fighting the corruption that steals money that could otherwise be spent on
buying medicines or on getting children into school. Corruption, we know,
hits poor people hardest, and poor women most of all.
How does a society—any society—ensure good
governance? What really makes the difference is what people choose to do.
They must demand that their Governments secure such things for them, and
that is why we will go on helping Governments to build their capacity. We
are setting up the governance and transparency fund so that Parliaments
and civil society, the media, trade unions and those working to improve
transparency and openness can be helped to hold their Governments to
account.
That is why we want to continue to make sure
that our aid money goes where it is intended. Our new governance
assessments will help us to do that. They will help us to recognise when a
country is improving and to determine what to do when there are problems.
This approach will build on the three simple questions that we already ask
of our partners—are they committed to reducing poverty, do they uphold
human rights and international obligations, and are they fighting
corruption and promoting good governance?
Depending on the answers that we get, we will
take decisions about the kind of aid that we give. Even where governance
is awful, such as in Zimbabwe, we will not walk away, as that would be to
punish poor people twice over—once for being poor, and a second time for
having a lousy Government. The same is true for corruption. We need to be
tough on it and on its causes, because the only solution is that countries
must change the culture in which corruption thrives. They must enforce the
law and implement the checks, the balances and the openness needed to
guard against it.
Mr. William Cash (Stone) (Con):
While I agree with every single thing that the Secretary of State has said
so far, I invite him to consider the last comment that he made. One has to
strike the balance between whether it is better to take a strong position
or not. Surely we have to engage in a naming and shaming operation. This
could come from external sources so that people in those countries know
when things are going wrong. If we do not have proper external accounting
arrangements, we will not be able to prove the point which will be
followed by the naming and shaming.
Hilary Benn: I agree with the
hon. Gentleman, who has campaigned long and hard on this issue. I agree
that naming and shaming—exposure, transparency—is the right approach to
take, but I differ with him in that I think that the exposure has to come
from within the countries themselves, because that is the only way to fix
the problem in the long term. He is right about the power of that
searchlight to change practice.
Governance is also an international issue. Bad
governance can be caused or made worse by the actions of rich countries
and their companies. For every bribe taken, there has to be a bribe giver;
for every stolen dollar that is spirited out of a developing country,
there has to be a bank account somewhere for it to go into. That means
that we have to be more effective in stopping bribery and, where money is
stolen, in finding it and giving it back. In August this year, the UK
returned £1 million of assets to Nigeria seized by the Metropolitan police
from the former governor of Bayelsa state. It is a start, but we can and
must do more.
Our new anti-corruption action plan will help
us to do that by investigating and prosecuting bribery cases, dealing with
money laundering and recovering stolen assets with the help of the new
police unit staffed by the Metropolitan police and the City of London
police and partly funded by DFID. We will continue to promote the
extractive industries transparency initiative and look to extend its
principles to other areas of public procurement such as construction,
health and defence, where we know that corruption is a problem.
We all know that economic development is the
single most powerful way of pulling people out of poverty. It is the
private sector, from farmers to street traders and foreign investors, who
create growth, but Governments have to create the right conditions for
that growth, and aid can help to do this.
Philip Davies (Shipley) (Con): I,
too, agree with everything that the Secretary of State has said and I
commend him for the work that he does. Does he agree that we could do much
more to help the poorest people in the third world if we had control over
our own trade policy? We could set an example to the rest of Europe and
the world by taking away trade barriers that would help people to lift
themselves out of poverty without insisting that they get rid of the
barriers to trade into their country. Surely if we had control over our
trade policy we could do far more to help than even the Secretary of State
would like to see.
Hilary Benn: I agree with the
hon. Gentleman that changing the world trade rules would make a real
difference. I shall come on to that point in a moment. I part company from
him when he says that the solution is for us to take back control over our
trade policy. We need all the countries of the world to change the rules,
not just Britain. That is why the White Paper commits us to supporting
poor people in trying to get better access to markets to sell their goods.
It is why we intend to double our funding for research to improve
agricultural productivity, help countries adapt to climate change, and
develop the drugs and vaccines that they need.
We will continue to press for a trade
agreement to enable developing countries to earn their way out of poverty.
Although the Doha talks are currently deadlocked, we are not going to give
up on our attempts to create a freer and fairer trade system for
developing countries because, as every single one of us knows, these talks
matter. They are the best hope for developing countries to raise the money
to pay for the doctors, the drugs, the hospitals, the teachers, the
schools and the textbooks that they need.
Ann McKechin (Glasgow, North) (Lab):
I, too, welcome the White Paper. On the subject of the
world trade talks, my right hon. Friend will be aware that at the Hong
Kong conference last year an agreement was reached for special measures
for the poorest countries. In the light of the needs of the poorest
countries, can he confirm that the EU—with which we are closely involved
in negotiations—will implement that package unilaterally, given that the
talks may be suspended for some considerable period?
Hilary Benn: Britain played an
important part in pushing for that package; it has been agreed in
principle and is fundamental to making progress. In truth, we will have to
consider what to do if things remain stalled, but the best way to move
them forward is to get agreement in the Doha talks and we intend to
continue to push for that. We know that economic development has changed
the lives of people in this country over the last 200 years, and it will
do the same for people in developing countries.
That takes time, however. We need to help now
so that everyone can see a doctor when they are ill, go to school, drink
clean water and have a safety net when times are hard. With our aid rising
to meet the UN 0.7 per cent. target by 2013, we will increase our spending
on those public services to at least half our bilateral aid budget. We
will make long-term commitments through 10-year plans so that countries
can make long term decisions. That is why, when my right hon. Friend the
Chancellor and I visited Maputo just before Easter, we said that we would
put £8.5 billion into education over the next 10 years, so that the money
that we and other donors commit can be put alongside the money that
developing countries raise for themselves to match their plans to get
children into schools, to employ teachers, to build classrooms and to buy
textbooks.
There are practical problems, but we will do
more on AIDS and maternal and child health. We have already committed to
doubling our spending on water and sanitation in Africa by 2007 and to
doubling it again by 2010, because clean water changes women’s lives. We
will significantly increase our spending on social security in at least 10
countries in Asia and Africa over the next three years, because we know
that small amounts of support are one of the most effective ways to help
people out of the cycle of dependency.
Richard Ottaway (Croydon, South) (Con):
I hesitate to intervene because the Secretary of State is
talking such obvious sense. The aims and objectives of which he speaks are
of course enshrined in the millennium development goals, but to what
extent is his Department addressing the issue of population growth in
those countries? If a country’s population is growing at 3 per cent. a
year, it needs 3 per cent. more schools, roads and hospitals, so to what
extent is the right hon. Gentleman incorporating those issues in his
thinking?
Hilary Benn: The hon. Gentleman
raises an important issue. Our most practical contribution is to provide a
lot of support for reproductive health in developing countries, so that
families, women in particular, have some choice about their
fertility—partly through the provision of services and partly by women
having a stronger position in their society. In the long term, as we all
know, population growth relates to economic development; as societies
develop economically and people feel safer and more secure, family sizes
decline. Evidence from across the globe is clear on that point.
None of that will work if we do not deal with
the ultimate test of global governance— climate change. That is the single
greatest threat facing development today. The countries that did least to
cause the problem face the biggest costs and consequences. Many poor
countries are struggling to cope and they will need more energy if their
economies are to develop. As the White Paper made clear, DFID will make
action on climate change a priority, as the Environmental Audit Committee
asked us to do in its report, published after the White Paper. That means
helping poor people and poor countries to adapt to climate change, working
to give developing countries access to clean technologies, including
energy production, so that they can reduce their greenhouse gas emissions
without damaging their economic growth. It means agreeing a stabilisation
target and a new international framework to share out the earth’s finite
environmental capacity. For all that we shall need international action
and effective international institutions.
Mr. Edward Vaizey (Wantage) (Con):
The Secretary of State glossed over the report of the
Environmental Audit Committee. As I am the only Member in the Chamber who
participated in that report, I want to point out that climate change did
not occur at the same time as the White Paper, and that the report to
which the Secretary of State alludes is very damning indeed about DFID’s
placing of the environment. Can the Secretary of State tell the House how
many environmental advisers he plans to recruit to DFID to take forward
his programme of incorporating climate change measures and aid?
Hilary Benn: We are indeed
planning to recruit more staff and I shall be happy to give the hon.
Gentleman the precise figures. The report made some criticisms, but it
failed to give DFID credit for what we have done already and it failed to
recognise what was in the White Paper—I was slightly surprised about that.
Furthermore, at times the Committee’s report reads as though we were still
a former colonial power running developing countries. We are not. They are
in charge of their destinies and they have to be prepared to take things
on. However, the Committee made many important points about why we all
need to take the issue more seriously, and I greatly welcome the report in
that respect.
We need international institutions that work,
but the principal institutions of multilateralism—the UN, the World Bank,
the European Union and the International Monetary Fund—were created for
the world of two generations ago. We need international institutions that
work effectively to meet the challenges of the 21st century.
That is why we are pushing for reform in the UN, including through the
high level panel, and that is why we have led the argument for reform of
the UN humanitarian system—with some success: there is a new humanitarian
fund, so that when disaster strikes, the UN can get to work straight away.
That is why I am holding back £50 million from the World Bank until I am
convinced that it has improved its practices on conditionality, and why we
want European aid to be more effective. I mean not just European
Commission aid, but aid from all European countries, because almost all
the increase in aid that will be promised before 2010 will come from
Europe.
The list of challenges that I have set out is
daunting enough, but the real question is whether we have the will, the
hope, the courage and the belief to change things. History should
encourage us to see that we do and we can, because we have made progress.
In the past 40 years, life expectancy in developing countries has
increased by a quarter. In the past 30 years, illiteracy rates have
halved. In the past 20 years, 400 million human beings have been lifted
out of absolute poverty. We are close to eradicating polio from the face
of the earth, and there are three times as many people on antiretroviral
drugs in sub-Saharan Africa as there were 12 months ago. Is that enough?
No. Is it progress? Yes.
Andrew Selous (South-West Bedfordshire) (Con):
Will the Secretary of State give way?
Hilary Benn: Yes, but for the
final time, because I want to wind up my speech.
Andrew Selous: I am extremely
grateful to the Secretary of State, who has been most generous in giving
way. To take him back to what he said about the United Nations and climate
change, does he agree that there is a case for rewriting the UN charter,
so that alongside the three pillars of the UN—development, human rights
and the prevention of conflict—there is a fourth on the prevention of
climate change? That should be one of the key overall objectives of the
United Nations, which is the only body with the international moral
authority to deal with the issue.
Hilary Benn: I agree with that
sentiment. The UN, like any other institution, must adapt to a changing
world. Much time and energy would be involved in trying to get agreement
on a change to the charter, and it would be a matter of tactics, but I am
absolutely with the hon. Gentleman on the principle of making the UN take
climate change more seriously, as my remarks have demonstrated.
In the end, the issue is whether progress is
made, and whether we make a difference. I think that, with the help of
other countries, Britain and its money, ideas, effort and politics are
helping to change things. Very soon, the international finance facility
for immunisation will be launched, and it aims to save 5 million
children’s lives over the next 10 years. The debt cancellation agreement
for which many people fought so hard at Gleneagles has already wiped out
the debts that 20 of the world’s poorest countries owed to the IMF, the
World Bank and the African Development Bank. Zambia can now provide free
health care in rural areas because of that deal. Our education funding in
India has enabled 9.5 million children to go to school for the first time.
In Kenya, we are distributing 11 million insecticide-treated bed nets, and
that could save 167,000 children’s lives. That is practical action that
makes a difference.
Each of those examples, and many others, show
that when human beings bring together the hope, the courage, the will and
the belief, we are capable of transforming our lives. That is what people
in Edinburgh marched for, and what people campaigned for. That is what we
are in politics for, so let us get on and do it.
Mr. Andrew Mitchell (Sutton Coldfield) (Con):
I start by strongly supporting the Secretary of State’s
comments about the way in which this debate has been shoved on to the
schedule, at the fag end of a Thursday afternoon, when many Members cannot
be here. As a result of the short time available for debate, few Members
will be able to take part. It is more than a year since we had a debate on
international development, and I hope that the usual channels will
conclude that that is simply not good enough.
Let me start by making the Conservative
position absolutely clear. We strongly support the Government’s goals for
international development as set out by the Secretary of State today.
Support for the British contribution to international development is not a
Labour or Conservative policy, but a British commitment, and the Secretary
of State knows that he can rely on support from across the House. I will
go further: at a time when the Government’s failures—whether on public
service reform or across the spectrum of Home Office policy—are the
currency of practically every news bulletin and comment column in our
press, the Secretary of State and the Minister are, uniquely, doing a good
job, and we applaud them for it. From time to time, we have differences of
opinion about how to make British policies more effective and how to reach
the millennium development goals faster, but in many ways, however, the
Government are on the right track.
The situation is not all doom and gloom. A few
days ago, I heard about an HIV/AIDS clinic in Namibia that recently closed
its doors, not because of lack of funds but because the spread of new
infections in the area had been curtailed. As the Secretary of State said,
we have made good progress on polio, and far fewer children die from
diarrhoea than was the case 20 years ago, because oral rehydration therapy
is more widely available. Far too many children, however, continue to
suffer. As the Secretary of State said in the House yesterday, and as he
reiterated today, there are three times as many people on antiretrovirals
as there were just 12 months ago.
There is a nucleus of African states whose
Governments are increasingly committed to doing the right thing. People
such as Paul Kagame, President of Rwanda, are showing leadership. They are
tough on corruption and they serve the people whom they are honoured to
lead. Their example shames the corrupt, self-serving dictators and
autocrats who, alas, still populate the developing world. We can work well
with those improving Governments and, by their example, show the rest what
can be done.
At the moment, the friends of development
operate in a benign climate. There is political consensus on the
importance of development, and all parties are committed to the unified
British approach to development. There is mass public support for the
development agenda, as Gleneagles showed last year. Germany has agreed to
back that agenda and take it forward when it assumes the G8 presidency
next year. However, we must not take public support for granted. Our aid
budget is set to rise to 0.7 per cent. of national income by 2013. Indeed,
that is the only spending commitment that the Conservative party has
announced so far. To put that percentage into context, based on current
economic predictions, the equivalent amount in cash will be well over
double what it is today. Taxpayers rightly demand clear and transparent
spending. As the funding rises so, too, will their expectation that output
should match input. Our aim is to achieve the millennium development goals
but, on current trends, the 2015 target will not be met. Ironically, Asia
will probably achieve its MDGs, but Africa will not do so. In five years’
time, when the period covered by the White Paper comes to an end, people
will look at the MDGs and realise that they will not be achieved, despite
a rising aid budget. They will be right to ask tough questions, so we
cannot afford to leave any doubt in the public’s mind about whether the
money has been well spent. We must be able to demonstrate the concrete,
tangible results of their investment. If we do not achieve those results,
we will lose the determination of purpose and public confidence that have
fuelled the enthusiasm and commitment to development.
I warmly welcome the call in the White Paper
to focus our aid on the poorest people and countries, as well as its
resolute poverty focus. We have rightly moved on from the time when aid
was tied to commercial interests, and the White Paper correctly notes that
aid is more effective when given to countries with good governance. Even
in those countries, however, not all aid projects are effective. Aid
selectivity is not enough—we need stronger aid evaluation, too. We need
rigorously to evaluate aid projects, giving more money to those that work,
and refraining from supporting those that do not, to achieve the greatest
possible reduction in poverty and suffering with our finite aid budget.
Aid projects are not always well evaluated. A
recent internal report entitled, “How effective is DFID?”, showed that the
Department often has little awareness of whether its aid has been spent on
effective projects or whether it has obtained good value for money. I was
disappointed by the lack of new proposals on improving aid effectiveness
in the White Paper. DFID must take the lead by guaranteeing the
independent evaluation of project effectiveness. There should be greater
use of impact assessments to discover exactly how our aid is helping
people, which is why I have proposed an independent aid watchdog to
scrutinise British aid.
It is, I acknowledge, sometimes difficult to
measure the effectiveness of aid. The Statistics Commission recently
highlighted the problems with using the MDGs to measure DFID’s
performance. A poor country could be making progress towards the MDGs
despite ineffective aid programmes, or the positive effects of an
effective aid programme could be masked by negative outside factors. The
White Paper would have been a good opportunity to grapple with some of
those difficult issues and to suggest improvements in the way in which aid
effectiveness could be consistently and rigorously assessed and compared.
The White Paper’s focus on governance is, of
course, enormously important. Without good domestic institutions, outside
aid cannot lead to victory in the battle against poverty. I note with
interest the White Paper’s pledge for DFID to double its spending on
science and technology. New technologies—in particular, vaccines and
medicines—have the potential to do immense good. However, we should not
forget that many technologies already exist that allow us to reduce
suffering cheaply: $5 malaria bed nets, DOTS treatment for tuberculosis,
vaccinations that protect an entire family from disease for a few pounds,
and oral rehydration therapy that can save a child’s life for 20p. The
challenge is to roll out those technologies, as well as to invent more of
them. We must ensure that new technologies are appropriate to the context
in which they will be used. That is why I am particularly interested in
progress on microbicides, which could empower women in the fight against
HIV/AIDS.
I welcome the discussion of migration and
remittances in the White Paper. Sending money back to developing countries
is often a costly business. I look forward to hearing what specific ideas
the Secretary of State has to help lower the cost of remittancing.
Economic growth is clearly central to development. One has only to look at
India and China to see that. The White Paper rightly identifies trade as a
crucial driver of wealth creation and development. Last week, I met the
deputy US trade representative, Ambassador John Veroneau. He is not a man
with whom one would wish to play poker. However, I got the impression that
he is willing, in principle, to go further to make the Doha round work.
Indeed, President Bush has given such instructions. Commissioner Mandelson
has also indicated that he is willing to go further. As soon as the
mid-term elections are out of the way, I urge the Government to press hard
for real movement in the Doha talks.
The White Paper also indicates support for an
international arms trade treaty. It focuses on the need for the treaty to
include all the world’s major arms exporters, rather than to be overly
rigorous in what it enforces. There is a tension between a universal and
relatively weak treaty, and a stronger treaty ratified by a small number
of Governments. The priority must be to ensure that countries such as
China sign up to it and then live up to their obligations. Perhaps in his
summary the Minister could say a little more about how and when the treaty
might get some flesh on its bones.
I am pleased that the White Paper covers the
crucial issue of how climate change and environmental degradation interact
with international development policy, as the Secretary of State said. As
I saw in Bangladesh recently, climate change will hit the poor hardest and
fastest. It has arguably had an effect on the crisis in Darfur and it will
lead to more natural disasters. The idea of an independent world
humanitarian report to monitor how well the world responds to humanitarian
crises is a good one.
I warmly welcome the decision to focus more on
disaster preparation and mitigation, rather than simply responding to
disasters once they have happened. One of the major problems with current
aid efforts is that we have not worked out a good way in which to make the
transition from immediate humanitarian relief after a catastrophe to long
term reconstruction. Sadly, there are a number of examples of that around
the world. I hope that we will hear more from the Secretary of State on
that and I hope that he will press for better co-ordination, auditing and
accountability in relation to the aid funds that are used in response to
disasters.
Much of the White Paper focuses on the issues
that I have been discussing— governance and aid—but there are some other
important areas that the Government may have overlooked. For example,
addressing gender inequality should play a major role in international
development efforts. Women often bear the greatest costs of poverty. Too
many girls do not go to school. Women bear the brunt of the HIV/AIDS
epidemic. According to Amartya Sen, the most effective aid projects are
those that improve access to water, so that women spend less time walking
miles to fetch it, and those that improve female education.
The White Paper also largely neglects the
growing role of China and India in international development. The
geopolitical landscape is changing, and the growing prosperity of India
and China pose new challenges for DFID. Last week, in Beijing, I struggled
to resolve the conundrum that Britain is spending £150 million over the
next few years in a country that had a trade surplus last month of $15
billion. However, even as those countries approach middle-income status,
we must not forget that hundreds of millions of people in western China
and states such as Bihar in India are very poor. Indeed, there are more
poor people in India than there are in the whole of Africa. In reality,
India and China lift hundreds of thousands of people out of poverty each
month because their economic policies embrace growth and they benefit from
participation in the international trading system.
I was slightly concerned by the inconsistent
analysis in the White Paper of the role of business. Private businesses
are the ultimate engines of growth here and in the developing world.
Multinational businesses create employment, drive up wages and working
conditions, and help to spread technology. They contribute to not just
growth, but social justice. However, the White Paper confines the role of
business to one chapter, and when it refers to international partners,
business does not seem to be one of them. The private sector should not be
defined in such a limited way. There is a role for business in building
water infrastructure and providing health care, education and other basic
services. DFID should be open-minded about working with businesses to
achieve more. I welcome the White Paper’s robust stance on tackling
corruption by business, but the Secretary of State and the Department of
Trade and Industry will know how treacherous an area this is: one man’s
bribe is another man’s free lunch. As well as clamping down on the private
sector when it does wrong, we must celebrate and encourage its
achievements when it is a force for good, which it is for the vast
majority of the time.
The White Paper contains some 170 action
points. They cover a broad and rightly ambitious agenda and I am pleased
to say that I agree with at least 150 of them. Many of them require DFID
staff to engage with international stakeholders, and I hope that the
Department has the capacity to deliver on them.
Mr. James Gray (North Wiltshire) (Con):
I had hoped to interrupt my hon. Friend before he moved off
the subject of business. Will my hon. Friend join me in paying tribute to
Grameen banking and welcoming the Nobel peace prize that was recently
given to its founder? Will he also acknowledge that there is a real role
for the growth of private funds, which I believe are developing quite
substantial amounts towards Grameen banking? There might be a solution
there to some of the kinds of poverty about which the White Paper talks.
Mr. Mitchell: I am grateful to my
hon. Friend for his timely intervention. In July, I had the great pleasure
of spending two or three days in Bangladesh with Professor Yunus, the man
who founded the Grameen bank. I join my hon. Friend in saluting the
excellent news that came through last week. I hesitate to draw his
attention to the article that I wrote in The Times when I got back
from my trip, but he might find it of some minor interest.
I look forward to generous British support for
the 15th round of the International Development Association replenishment
at the World Bank next year. Despite much investigation in Washington last
week, I remain somewhat confused about the Secretary of State’s decision
to withhold £50 million from the World Bank. I am assured that the bank’s
use of conditionality with regard to privatisation and trade
liberalisation affects hardly any of its newer lending, and DFID itself is
an admirable champion of freer trade. However, I am sure that the
Secretary of State knows what he was doing. While it was certainly not
always the case, the World Bank’s programmes are hugely respected around
the world today, and Britain’s role is greatly respected in the bank, too.
We should give the bank our firm support at this time.
Mr. Cash: Does my hon. Friend
agree with what Tearfund says in its briefing paper about economic
partnership agreements? It is absolutely essential that EPAs are
completely reformed. The Government have clearly approached the subject
with a little bit too light a touch. We must tackle the EPAs and ensure
that we get proper economic liberalisation.
Mr. Mitchell: My hon. Friend’s
point is the subject of much debate. If he catches your eye, Mr. Deputy
Speaker, I hope he will be able to develop his argument about EPAs.
I am glad that the White Paper recognises that
UN reform is crucial. The Secretary of State made that very point in his
speech. All of us who engage with the UN on the ground know that the
organisation is full of the most talented and dedicated people, but that
they are all too often let down by organisational weakness. The UN has
been guilty of mission creep into areas beyond its core competency. I hope
that the Government will support measures to slim down the number of
United Nations agencies, and we must improve the UN’s performance in
co-ordinating the world’s response to humanitarian disasters.
Finally, I shall deal with the importance of
conflict resolution and pay a warm tribute to the Select Committee report
that was published yesterday. This is probably the most crucial area of
all in international development, and although I shall not detain the
House long on it, I want to say a word in the context of Darfur. Conflict
resolution is so important because no matter how much aid and trade people
receive, if they have been forced out of their village and are living in a
camp, they will remain poor, destitute and frightened.
When the UN agreed last year, amid much mutual
congratulation and back-slapping, to embrace a responsibility to protect,
it offered hope to those waiting for help in Darfur’s camps, but the
international will to give meaning to that responsibility to protect
remains woefully inadequate. The problem is compounded by the fact that
people who have suffered in Darfur and seen the failure of international
action in that area, and who note that in Lebanon it took the UN only 30
days to intervene effectively, must come to the conclusion that the world
counts the life of an African as of less value and less importance than
the life of others. That is a challenge to us all.
Mr. Chris Mullin (Sunderland, South) (Lab):
Is not one of the differences between Lebanon and Darfur
that in Lebanon the international community had the co-operation of the
Government of Lebanon, whereas in Darfur, regrettably, we do not have the
co-operation of the Government of Sudan?
Mr. Mitchell: I do not propose to
enter into a debate on the comparison between Lebanon and Darfur, but the
position facing the international community was in many ways more complex
in Lebanon than in Darfur. The point I make to the hon. Gentleman, who I
know thinks carefully about these matters, is that the sort of African
that I am describing, who watches intelligently what is going on around
the world, is very likely to draw the extremely uncomfortable comparison
that I have just put before the House. I reiterate that that is the
challenge to all of us as we seek to reform the international architecture
in the way that the Secretary of State and I have set out.
The White Paper that we are considering has
the potential to stimulate an enormous amount of good. The public
determination that Britain and the rest of the developed world should make
a huge commitment to lifting the poorest people in our world out of
poverty is the task that the Government and all of us as politicians are
charged with implementing. As I discuss the White Paper with those
involved in the world of international development—with the members of
NGOs, DFID personnel and groups of dedicated professionals engaged in
development work far and wide—I am constantly struck by their commitment,
enthusiasm and determination that this generation will make the greatest
possible contribution to ending the scourge of international poverty which
blights the life chances of so many in Africa and the poor world. I hope
that the White Paper will play a modest part in steering our activities in
the right direction.
Mr. Deputy Speaker (Sir Alan Haselhurst):
Order. At the risk of stating the obvious, there is not
much time left for the debate. Hon. Members will do themselves a favour if
they could undertake to make relatively short speeches, so that I can get
as wide a variety of contributions as possible.
John Battle (Leeds, West) (Lab):
I declare an interest as a member of the Select Committee on International
Development. I welcome the comments of the Opposition spokesman, the hon.
Member for Sutton Coldfield (Mr. Mitchell). The report published yesterday
on conflict and development is crucial and is one of the best reports I
have been privileged to participate in drawing up in almost 20 years in
the House. It deserves a full debate on the Floor of the House and should
be the subject of our next debate on international development. I shall
leave it to our Chair to say more about that.
The world is eight times richer than it was 50
years ago, yet the inequalities between the rich and the poor are
widening. There seems to be enduring, endemic poverty in the world. The
Economist, in its future trends, suggested that we should focus on
four themes in the next 50 years—in the first half of the century. The
first of those themes was the development of economic globalisation,
including India and China, but still excluding African countries. The
second theme was the pace of climate change, to which Members have
referred. The third theme was the impact of migration, which will
massively increase and has been underestimated. The fourth theme was the
persistence of faith and religion.
I welcome the White Paper, which is subtitled
“making governance work for the poor”. I found it to be a brilliant
summary of where we have got to on the subject both here in Britain and
internationally. I felt that it was a good workbook or handbook; it tells
some of the good stories of what has been achieved, as well as what we are
up against. I recommend it, and I hope that there is a reprint—and, if
there is, that it is distributed to schools and elsewhere—because it is a
good volume.
In my remarks, I do not want to concentrate on
governance and corruption. There is a view that 2005 was the year of
international development. It was certainly the year of increased money
and commitment to the aid budget—a doubling of it, in our case. I should
mention that I welcome the commitment from the Conservative party; the
hon. Member for Sutton Coldfield has done very well to get his one
commitment—and, I say with some edge, we shall watch that space. In 2005,
there was some good work on aid and on debt—although there is much to do
on trade, as other Members have mentioned, and I wonder whether there is
an agenda for that. But at least it was a good year. However, although
2005 was a good year, on page 29 of the report there is a piece of
graffito that says, “2006 corrupt. We need change.” In facing up to
corruption, there is a danger that aid is not used well. An agenda that
focuses solely on corruption might take away the dynamic that has focused
all our attentions on tackling poverty, so I do not want to focus on
corruption.
Mr. Andy Reed (Loughborough) (Lab/Co-op):
I was in Ethiopia last week as part of an attempt to tackle
corruption and to address good governance. Does my right hon. Friend
accept that many people on the ground recognise that corruption and good
governance are crucial to their lifting themselves out of poverty? Does he
agree that although, as he says, we should not concentrate solely on that,
it is fundamental to everything that flows from it?
John Battle: I am grateful to my
hon. Friend for his remarks, and I hope that others will underline what he
says, because I agree that it is crucial; I will listen to other
contributions on that, and I am convinced of the point. But other points
are missing from the report, and I want to focus on them.
Good governance is about more than simply
elections. We seem sometimes to think that good governance equals having
elections, but my experience in visiting countries and occasionally being
an observer of other countries’ elections—as other Members occasionally
are—is that there is an emphasis on getting people organised so that they
get to the polling booth, on organising the voting booth, on making sure
that voters stamp their thumbs properly on the ballot paper, and on making
sure that they are organised into lines. Often, when officials and civil
servants are helping in the process of ensuring that elections take place
well—they do so with the best intentions, so I say this without a
pejorative edge—it is as if the people just need to be shepherded in the
right direction, and then on the day of the election the problem is
solved. Elections are sometimes seen as the end of a strategy, rather than
the beginning of a process. We must focus much more on the process of
politics, and on an election being a part of that process.
Let me just point out that in 1945 there were
32 countries with a universal franchise— countries that we would call
democratic—and that there are now 192. So elections are taking place
regularly, but I think that we have more to do, because in many cases we
are a long way from having what I would describe as participatory
democracy, built from the base upwards.
I suggest that we, as practising politicians,
cannot leave election processes to officials. We, as politicians committed
to political parties, could do much more to help build up political
processes in emerging democracies, and particularly in fragile states, so
that we do not leave countries such as the Democratic Republic of the
Congo thinking that it can have an election that might reinforce the
existing elite and that then the show is over. No: I hope there will be
more elections, even though that one was its first for 30 years. That
process will help the transformation of that society.
I particularly welcome the commitment given on
page 124 of the White Paper to building links between community groups,
tenants and residents groups, local government, faith communities, schools
and businesses and charitable organisations here in Britain. I want a much
more mutual conversation about building participatory democracy—one that
does not assume that we in Britain have done it, have all the answers and
have a perfect democracy. We have not, but we can learn from each other
through exchanges and by building a much more mutual conversation.
Page 20 of the White Paper contains the most
important passage in the whole report. Under the heading “Understanding
good governance”, it refers to “Providing ways for people to say what they
think and need. Implementing policies that meet the needs of the poor.
Using public finances to benefit the poor—for example to encourage growth
and provide services. Providing public goods and services in ways that
reduce discrimination and allow all citizens—including women, disabled
people and ethnic minorities—to benefit.”
That is a basis for working on the theme of
participatory democracy—by building, perhaps, from the base up.
Secondly, I want to echo the points that the
Secretary of State—and, indeed, the shadow Secretary of State—made about
the pace of climate change. As desertification, the destruction of forests
and flooding in Bangladesh show, it is the poor who pay the highest price
for the lack of action in the northern hemisphere. The onus is on us to do
much more, for the practical reason that they cannot: they do not have the
capacity to prevent such occurrences or to address their impact. We need
to do a lot more to blend the climate change and poverty eradication
agendas. Indeed, one theme that has emerged is the good will of people
toward addressing climate change. They are willing to change their
behaviour—to change their light bulbs, unplug appliances and get
personally involved. I want the climate change and poverty eradication
agendas to be fused, so that people say, “Can we live a bit more simply,
so that other people can simply live?”, as Ghandi once said. If we are
altruistic toward the environment, we might also be a bit more altruistic
toward the idea of reducing the gross inequalities between the rich and
the poor. We should fuse together those agendas, rather than continuing to
believe that it is a question of trees versus people—an attitude that we
are still a little locked into. Trees and people go together, and we must
realise that fusion.
To my mind, the millennium development goals
do not focus sufficiently on employment, which is an issue that does not
resonate loudly in the report. Of course we need business development and
economic growth, but we need a much stronger focus on employment. We must
take into account the increase in the world population, to which reference
has been made, and the emergence of China and India, but the real issues
across the globe are going to be job generation, employment and
under-employment. The meetings that I have held in my constituency about
making poverty history have been very positive, but one went wrong. It was
held around the time that the Chancellor announced an extra £10 million
for schools in Africa. One person at the meeting who lives in one of the
poorer communities in inner-city Leeds—and who has every good will toward
African countries and their development—said to me, “John, why should I
support money for Africa? I am not against training and educating them,
but if we do, they might be trained better than I am, and the jobs will go
there and not here. What will we do about unemployment here? What about
migration trends? Where will the work be within the world?” We should not
draw up protectionist boundaries, but we need to address much more
seriously the questions of migration and employment.
Is the growth agenda about job generation and
employment? That issue is not dealt with in the millennium development
goals, but it is a vital question in East Timor. Young men who
participated in the conflict there and who were once armed are now
standing around saying, “Where are our jobs? We have handed in our guns,
but if we do not get jobs, we will start fighting again.” Exactly the same
is being said in Freetown, in Sierra Leone, and in Kinshasa in the
Democratic Republic of the Congo. Without work, people do not have a
vision of the future.
There is another very encouraging statement on
page 25 of the White Paper: “The UK will...adopt a new ‘quality of
governance’ assessment to monitor governance and our partners’ commitment
to fighting poverty...use this assessment of ‘quality of governance’ as
well as commitment to the three principles—reducing poverty; upholding
human rights and international obligations; and improving public financial
management, promoting good governance and transparency, and fighting
corruption—to make choices about the way in which we give UK aid.”
That offers a strong human rights agenda based
on tackling corruption, the initiative that the Secretary of State is
launching, and making good governance work for the poor. This is about not
only tackling corruption and improving accountability but building up a
culture, here in the north as well as in the south, of what I would
describe as economic justice. We should institute that concept as a
different paradigm that brings together the agendas on the environment and
tackling poverty. Tackling poverty is a universal challenge: north and
south; urban and rural. Tackling wider inequalities is about good
politics; they go together. The report helps us to realise that.
Democratic politics must be developed in depth from the base up. In
African countries especially, that means taking account of the structures
of solidarity, community and hospitality that already exist and working
through them to blend new shapes of democratic participation.
I modestly suggest that politicians who get
behind the agenda of tackling poverty as an economic and a political
agenda will do much to restore faith in politics and the processes of
politics. That is a challenge not only for African and poor countries but
for us here and now.
Susan Kramer (Richmond Park) (LD):
The White Paper is in many ways a report card on the past
and an agenda for the future. I join the hon. Member for Sutton Coldfield
(Mr. Mitchell) in saying that the Department for International Development
is right to give itself good marks. I join, too, in some of his
criticisms, although the number of international quangos that he proposed
for various forms of monitoring put a chill through my heart, as I would
hope that monitoring could be a matter for this House.
The Secretary of State is well able to make
his own case, so let me use my time to raise some of the missed potential
in the DFID report. On trade, we all learned of the suspension of the Doha
round with trepidation, as we are conscious that if it fails the greatest
losers will be the developing countries. Aid and debt cancellation are
interim tools. Trade is the tool that countries can take to themselves; it
empowers them to make their own future. While I fully support an agenda
that moves rapidly towards free trade, trade agreements must allow the
policy space for developing countries to adjust their economies. In the
Doha round, the language used was “special and differentiated treatment”.
If Doha is revived, the timetable will be
exceedingly tight and will present a big challenge to the developing
countries in getting their voice heard. I hope to hear that during these
negotiations DFID will be actively trying to get across the message of
developing countries, because it was largely drowned out in the earlier
stages. If Doha fails, what role will DFID play in the bilateral and
regional trade treaties that will undoubtedly enter the vacuum to ensure
that our understanding of developing country needs is properly expressed
and protected? Given that the European economic partnership was not a side
issue, we particularly need to know how the partnership between the EU and
the African, Caribbean and Pacific countries will progress. I am afraid
that that issue gets left to the Department of Trade and Industry, but it
should be centre stage for DFID.
What worries me even more is that we are in
benign economic times. It is the easiest phase in which to get an
agreement that benefits developing countries. However, if we lose the
opportunity and major economies begin to go into recession, it will become
increasingly hard to reach for that prize.
Let us consider pro-poor development. We all
understand that trade and development work for a significant section of
people in developing countries—India has been cited as an example many
times. However, trade and development work for approximately 50 per cent.
of the people in India. For at least half, there is no progress and 30 per
cent. are losers, including subsistence farmers now reduced to casual
labour and living at the roadside, utterly displaced. I could give many
examples but I do not want to take up the House’s time. The White Paper
does not include a coherent strategy for the losers from development.
There are some projects and programmes, some micro finance and
infrastructure and I was glad to read the language of social security in
the document. However, there is no consistent and coherent approach to
tackling the needs of the group.
There must be a partnership between
Governments, the private sector, civil society and the international
community but many of the solutions will be counter-intuitive. For
example, a solution may mean reinforcing the way of life of those who will
continue in subsistence farming and not convert to commercial farming. I
met Dalit women in Andhra Pradesh and, for them, the commercial farming
happening around them is the greatest threat to their existence. It is not
an option for them because of the land that they farm. They are faced with
either joining the commercial flow of life and becoming casual labour or
finding a way to reinforce their traditional style and approach. There is
no consistent discussion of that in the White Paper.
Many of the most vulnerable people and many of
those who lose out are women. As I have said in other debates, the
Department for International Development’s language is full of references
to gender equality and the importance of women, but does that translate
into delivery? A good example is retrovirals to prevent mother-to-child
transmission of HIV/AIDS. There is hardly ever a programme to follow up
the women who have been identified as HIV positive. The system does not
regard them as significant in the way it should.
Disability is a cross-cutting issue. There are
400 million disabled people—the population of a large country—in the
developing world, yet disability, because it is a cross-cutting issue,
never makes it to the top of any agenda.
I want to speak about climate change and low
carbon development. Yesterday, I heard part of the Secretary of State’s
speech in one of the Committee Rooms. He said that he had been treated
rather unfairly by the Environmental Audit Committee. I therefore reread
the relevant section in the White Paper. Frankly, it is timid. We have 10
years in which to act on climate change or reach a tipping point. The
urgency of the matter is not conveyed in the language or the programmes.
We all know that the poor suffer most from climate change, which could
involve, for example, flooding, because of their dependence on
agriculture, water scarcity or conflict. Darfur is an example of a
conflict in which climate change and population movement has played a
role.
The White Paper contains an excellent
analysis: “Initial estimates put the additional cost of meeting the energy
needs of developing countries with cleaner, more efficient sources at over
£40 billion a year.”
I looked for a suggestion about how to find
the £40 billion a year, but the White Paper includes little more than talk
about supporting the World Bank’s energy investment framework. We must
scale up our effort. I agree with the right hon. Member for Leeds, West
(John Battle) that it is essential to bring together the pro-poor and
climate change agendas. The two are not in conflict and we must find a way
of weaving them into our approach. That does not get the rich countries
off the hook. We created 70 per cent. of the CO2 pollution in the
atmosphere, and we must deal with it. I come from a council that has taken
direct action on those issues, and I look forward to hearing support for
that action on both sides of the House—that has not happened locally, but
I hope that it will happen here.
Time is short, so I shall raise the remaining
issues fairly quickly. I am concerned about DFID’s shift from programme
support to budgetary support—I am not concerned about the principle, but I
am concerned about the way in which the balance between the two has been
struck. Governments should make their own decisions, and we provide
budgetary support to recognise and facilitate such decision making. Civil
society is the group that holds Governments accountable, and funding must
come from outside Government control if it is to be independent and
effective.
DFID has acknowledged the difficulties of
building the environmental agenda into budgetary support, because it is
extremely difficult to provide aid to fragile states through a budgetary
support mechanism. Many NGOs wonder whether the pendulum is swinging too
far, and I have a suspicion that much of the motivation behind the shift
into budgetary support is to cope with the difficulties presented by the
Gershon cuts, which are reducing resources and manpower in DFID at a time
when the budget is growing. Budgetary support is a lower manpower
strategy, which has made it the direction of choice. However, that is not
how policy should be driven, and DFID needs to consider that point.
I hope that some of the hon. Members who were
responsible for the brilliant report about conflict and development will
speak in this debate, so I shall be brief on that point. The White Paper
lacks clarity on conflict and resolution. Page 47 of the White Paper
includes a wonderful picture—I do not know what an opium poppy looks like,
but I am willing to guess that that picture shows an opium poppy field,
and it looks like an advert for the excellence of the crop.
The White Paper does not address the tension
between foreign policy on the one hand and reconstruction and development
on the other. In Afghanistan, the US mission is search and destroy, while
the UK mission is said to be reconstruction and development. In Lebanon,
we supported the destruction of our own reconstruction. In Palestine, it
is unclear whether we are committed to development or whether we are
merely providing life support for a failing and declining economy.
In conclusion, I join other hon. Members in
saying that this subject, which involves a five-year plan for the poorest
people in the world, is far too important to be crushed into a two-hour
debate on a Thursday afternoon, when only a handful of hon. Members are
present. The underlying issues deserve the attention and scrutiny of the
House. If we act collectively, we can make sure that those issues come to
the Floor of the House far more frequently.
Joan Ruddock (Lewisham, Deptford) (Lab):
I congratulate Ministers on this DFID White Paper, which is
both inspiring and sober. It gives us hope on what can be achieved and
warns of the great hurdles ahead. I also congratulate the production team,
because this excellent document is beautifully presented, easy to read and
composed of 100 per cent. recycled material.
My main parliamentary interests are the
environment and gender, so when I joined the International Development
Committee, I brought those issues to my deliberations, and I see the White
Paper from that perspective. Nowhere is global co-operation more vital
than in tackling climate change. As the Gleneagles communiqué noted,
around 2 billion people lack modern energy services, and global energy
demands are expected to grow by 60 per cent. in the next 25 years. Before
the ink was dry on that communiqué, the scientists were telling us that
the situation was even more critical. As the hon. Member for Richmond Park
(Susan Kramer) said, the tipping point for irreversible change could
arrive by 2020.
The consequences for development are awesome,
which is why I greatly welcome chapter 7 of the White Paper, with its
stark headlines, “Climate change poses the most serious long-term threat
to development and the Millennium Development Goals” and “Developing
countries will need support to adapt. The costs will be huge.” As other
Members have said, the effects of climate change will bear down hardest on
those who depend most on environmental factors for their livelihood. Last
year, in Malawi, our Select Committee saw the terrible effects of the
previous year’s drought, and the dependency of people on foreign food aid.
In neighbouring Mozambique, we saw the devastation brought by floods and
torrential rains. As the White Paper says, three of the four natural
disasters—droughts, floods and cyclones—are weather-related, and 97 per
cent. of deaths from natural disasters occur in developing countries.
The devastating consequences of climate change
are our responsibility. The challenge is for all of us to face up to the
fact that all our promises, and all our expectations and hope for
development, could be negated by climate change. The G8 meeting at
Gleneagles attempted to bring that to the fore, and it is critical that
DFID leads the way in pursuing that Gleneagles agenda. Following on from
that meeting, Globe UK, the all-party environment group, of which I am
vice-chair, set up the G8 plus five dialogue to bring together
parliamentarians to advance the Gleneagles agenda. We have worked closely
with the World Bank on its energy investment framework, and we look
forward to monitoring DFID’s work in the field. When my hon. Friend the
Minister sums up, will he give his assessment of the response of regional
development banks to the World Bank’s investment framework for clean
energy?
On my second interest, gender, I am afraid
that, like some other Members, I must be critical of the Department. Women
make up the vast majority of the poorest. They are poor because they are
members of the poorest communities, but also because they are women. Women
experience discrimination in every sphere of political, social and
economic life and at every age. African women are the world’s poorest
people. They have the lowest life expectancy, and Africa has the greatest
disparity between women and men in access to education, literacy and
income in the world. Tackling women’s poverty and inequality requires a
transformation in relations between women and men, and a transformation in
the way in which we define development. It also requires a definition of
good governance—which, as the Secretary of State has said, is central to
the report—which recognises the implications of gender differences for
people’s access to essential public services, political participation and
economic opportunity.
The Department for International Development
has a twin-track approach, combining specific activities aimed at
empowering women with a commitment to pursue gender equality in the
mainstream of all development programmes. To date, however, those
commitments have not been implemented thoroughly or consistently. One
World Action, in giving evidence to various reports, has argued that
women’s rights and gender equality are not a high priority outside the
social development department of DFID. It says that, today, evidence of
effective gender mainstreaming outside that cluster remains disappointing.
I add to that assessment my dismay and astonishment that a 15-page
consultation document on conflict policy produced by DFID does not mention
the word “women” once.
Six years ago, however, the UK led the
international community in promoting Security Council resolution 1325 on
women, peace and security. That resolution, unanimously adopted,
recognised the disproportionate effect of conflict on women and underlined
the essential role of women in the prevention of conflict and as full
participants in post-conflict peace building and reconstruction efforts.
Earlier this year, in recognition of the importance of that resolution,
DIFD, the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
produced an action plan. I hope that my Front-Bench colleagues will
appreciate how disappointing it is that the consultation document on
conflict includes no reference to women or to the action plan. I trust
that my hon. Friend the Minister will give me an undertaking that that
serious omission will be corrected when the actual policy document is
produced.
The points that I have raised about gender are
not new. My right hon. and hon. Friends will recognise them from various
sessions in the Committee. There is, I think, a critical need for DIFD to
change the way in which it is working. I know that the Secretary of State
has acknowledged the need for a gender strategy, and I hope that one will
be produced very soon.
Although the White Paper contains references
to women in the context of microfinance and girls going to school, it is
very light on all the other important issues, such as the climate change
and economic agendas. As the Secretary of State says, good governance is
at the heart of the White Paper, but governance that denies the rights,
basic needs and interests of women and girls—the majority of the
population—cannot be considered good governance. No Government who neglect
the rights, needs and interests of women and girls can be described as
legitimate, and nowhere is that more important than in developing
countries and countries recovering from conflict. I hope that my
ministerial colleagues will give much fuller consideration to those
issues, and will endeavour to strengthen accountability in relation to
them.
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in
the debate. Although I have made criticisms, I have not the slightest
doubt that we have one of the best international development Departments
in the world—possibly even the very best.
Malcolm Bruce (Gordon) (LD): I am
grateful for the opportunity to follow the hon. Member for Lewisham,
Deptford (Joan Ruddock) and to endorse all that she said, not only in
terms of the contribution that we are making but in terms of her
contribution. I assure the House that she is assiduous in presenting the
issues that she raised. In my view, the Committee does not listen to her
enough, and does not respond enough. If she continues to speak, we will.
As a co-vice-chair of Globe UK, I consider
issues of climate change to be fundamental. Although I do not think that
all the criticisms of the Environmental Audit Committee are entirely fair
or valid, I think that the Department must look again at what it is doing
in its environmental and climate change programmes, and decide whether it
can incorporate some of the Committee’s recommendations in its future
work.
We are constrained by time. I agree with
others that we require far more time to debate issues such as these, and I
think that the Leader of the House—who will be presenting proposals next
week—should take account of the fact that this is not the right way in
which to treat the business with which we are dealing.
There is much in the White Paper that I
support. I agree with the right hon. Member for Leeds, West (John Battle):
it is extremely well produced, a good read and a very good statement of
policy. I am not sure that its content is radically new, but it provides a
very good focus on “where we are at”. If some of what I say is critical,
it is only because of the time constraint: there is no time to give
praise, but there is time to make suggestions.
Very briefly, then, I will say that there is
cross-party recognition of the commitment to the 0.7 per cent. target. I
am grateful to the hon. Member for Sutton Coldfield (Mr. Mitchell) for
reaffirming that on behalf of his party. There is, however, a need for
clarification of how we are to achieve that target. There is also total
support for debt relief, but I think that the Secretary of State will know
what I am going to say next.
It is true, of course, that when countries
whose debt has been liquidated and which were servicing the debt in some
way are relieved of that duty, money is released that can go into poverty
reduction programmes. The Secretary of State must accept, however, that a
good many countries were not servicing or repaying their debt, and writing
off a debt that was not being repaid does not produce any more money. It
seems to me that including all that debt relief as if it were a
contribution to our 0.7 per cent. target is at least a little debatable.
Would the Secretary of State be prepared to conduct an analysis to
establish where money is and is not being genuinely released, and come up
with an adjusted figure representing the real extra benefit from debt
relief? That might help to define our contribution. Having said that, I
obviously welcome the commitment to the 0.7 per cent. target, but the
Secretary of State knows that some people say that, as a consequence of
incorporating debt relief this year, there has been no real increase in
the spend on development itself. Clearly, we should expect to see
increases year on year.
The Secretary of State was right to say that
when we are working with developing countries, governance is crucial both
for them and for us. Simply handing over money to corrupt regimes to
siphon off is neither good for poverty reduction, nor the credibility of
the programme. We must find ways of dealing with those circumstances.
One of the problems in very poor countries
where Governments do not pay their civil servants, teachers or nurses, for
example, is that public service is no longer regarded as a job, but as a
franchise. People have to go down below to get bribes from the people they
are supposed to serve in order to sustain their family’s income. We have
to find ways of ensuring that that does not happen.
It is interesting to note the launch of the
campaign by the Mo Ibrahim foundation to form a league table of governance
and give an award to the African leader who achieves the most. I have
often said that one way of resolving problems of superincumbency, if I may
call it that, in Africa is to ensure that whatever presidents get in
office, ex-presidents should get double, which might encourage people to
move on.
The relationship with the World Bank is the
next important matter and the Secretary of State has made much of his
withholding of £50 million. He told the Select Committee that he believes
that it has already galvanised the bank into focusing attention on his
concerns about conditionality. In a few weeks’ time, we will see what the
response is. I am sure that the Secretary of State would acknowledge that
the reality is that we will be giving more money to the World Bank and we
will be working with it. It has put tackling corruption high up its
agenda, so it has to be a welcome partnership, which we will support.
The Secretary of State’s dilemma is that if he
has a rising budget, and a reducing head count, more money will go by
definition into international institutions that we do not control directly
or into budget support. Finding ways of ensuring that our objectives are
realised in that context—without necessarily imposing new conditions—is
highly important.
I am not omitting climate change from my
discussion because I believe that it is less than absolutely central, but
only because I agree with what has already been said and I want to put
that on the record.
On trade and the Doha round, it is simply
unacceptable that the promise of delivering on a development round should
be allowed to die or even to slumber. It would be a matter of shame to me
if the EU contributed in any way to such a failure. I hope that the
British Government will do everything in their power to persuade the EU,
over which we have some influence, to take a bold step— [Interruption.]
I hear someone shouting, “What about the Americans?”, but we do not
have institutional control over the Americans whereas we do have
institutional engagement with the EU. Of course the Americans must
respond. After what the Conservative spokesman said about the mid-term
elections, I hope that America will be more prepared to do so.
Surprisingly, however, I have a little bit
more confidence that the Bush Administration might deliver on a Doha round
than a reconstructed Congress after the November elections. That Congress
looks to be more left-wing in one sense, but more protectionist in
another. There is an opportunity here, but if we do not seize it now, the
consequences will be unacceptably bad. If we reflect on the fact that the
EU puts three times more money into agricultural subsidies than into its
entire overseas development budget, that can only fill us with shame.
The Secretary of State believes that budget
support is an important mechanism for delivering aid. In principle, I and
members of the Select Committee agree, but it does have its problems.
Setting up 10-year partnership agreements, which create commitment and
continuity, is a good approach. Given the all-party support for the basic
principle of increasing aid, I hope that those agreements will be fully
honoured and endorsed in principle, subject to the vagaries of what
happens. It is important that the development of civil society in these
countries is viewed as part and parcel of the process of budget support.
The parliamentary network of the World Bank and all sorts of other
bilateral arrangements with parliamentarians and civil society are
important so that people know what is being given to a Government and
where it is coming from. The right questions should be asked to hold
people to account. The objective is to create the capacity for the
Governments and the citizens of affected countries to deliver their own
outcomes. If it is understood in that context, it is a project that it is
well worth continuing with—and, I hope, delivering.
On the issue of conflict, I welcome the
comments by the Secretary of State on our report and his assertion that it
is a legitimate subject for debate in the Chamber rather than in
Westminster Hall. The issue is the extent to which one single conflict can
wipe out the whole value of the world aid budget, and there is more than
one conflict going on. For example, what happened in Israel and Lebanon
over the summer is a classic case in which we now have to divert massive
amounts of aid money into Palestine because the conflict destroyed the
Palestinian economy. I am not saying that those poor people should not be
helped, but the conflict diverted funds and that means that other poor
people, whom we want to help, will not get funds. That is an indication of
the problem.
This is not the moment to have a debate about
whether all the conflict situations we are in are ones in which we are
totally blameless. The ones that we have considered in Africa are not ones
in which the United Kingdom can be said to have been involved, but we have
tried to promote peaceful solutions.
Real issues arise from the role of British and
European companies in contributing to the promotion and extension of
conflict by dealing in conflict goods. When the Committee took evidence,
there was an exchange between the hon. Member for Lewisham, Deptford (Joan
Ruddock) and the chairman of Afrimex. The hon. Lady asked him whether he
was aware of the OECD guidelines after the UN had identified his company.
He said no. The hon. Lady asked if he had referred to the DTI and again he
said no. She then asked whether the DTI had ever contacted him, and again
he said no. That tells us that the DTI is not at one with the DFID in
ensuring that British companies are squeaky clean in the engagement in and
possible contribution to conflicts. We need to resolve conflict resources,
we need higher standards and we need to stamp out corruption inside and
outside the countries involved if we are to ensure that we are not party
to promoting or encouraging conflict in the future. Those are issues that
need to be thoroughly debated.
Mark Lazarowicz (Edinburgh, North and Leith) (Lab/Co-op):
This is an excellent report. I have only a few
minutes to speak, so I shall concentrate on a few points that have not
been entirely explored this afternoon. I generally welcome the
recommendations in the White Paper.
One theme of the report is corruption and
accountability, and what is said is good as far as it goes. But let us not
forget that the issue of tackling corruption and ensuring accountability
is not one only for developing countries. There are banks, financial
institutions and big companies in rich countries, including the UK, which
have a lot to answer for in the way in which they have encouraged corrupt
practices, laundered money and preyed on corruption in developing
countries. We have a lot to do on that issue. We are doing some work, but
we could do more. If I had more time I would mention the Christian Aid
recommendations, which we should take seriously. It is not only for “them,
out there” to deal with this: it is also our responsibility.
The issue of climate change has been discussed
and I agree with all that has been said on that so far today. But we must
remember that it is not an issue for 10 years’ time: it is happening now
and the consequences are felt not just in developing countries. The boat
people in the Mediterranean and the Atlantic who are affecting us in the
European Union are also partly a consequence of climate change. It is
important to recognise the link and, as my right hon. Friend the Secretary
of State said, we need a debate on the issue, because there are still some
unresolved tensions between the interests of development and of tackling
climate change. We have to ask how far we can rely on opening up markets
as a way to meet developing countries’ needs, if in so doing developing
countries rely on methods of transport—for example, air travel—that, apart
from contributing to climate change, may not be sustainable in 10, 20 or
30 years. Air travel over longer distances may not be sustainable. My
suspicion is that the answer will be to emphasise the need for regional
co-operation and development for developing countries. That is a matter
about which the report is a little weak, and I hope that the Department
will say more in the future about how it intends to develop regional
co-operation among developing countries.
Finally, I turn to peace and security. Many
hon. Members have mentioned the very worrying threat of a nuclear arms
race developing in the middle east and east Asia. Whatever North Korea is
doing with its apparent nuclear tests, it seems pretty clear that devoting
the resources necessary for its programme will impoverish even further an
already impoverished country. Another danger is that it will set off a
nuclear arms race in countries in the region. Even though some of them may
be relatively rich, experience shows that an arms race will subsume
resources from the poorer countries as well, as they will also feel that
they must do something about their security. That emphasises the need to
get a genuine non-proliferation process under way. We must try again to
make progress with getting the world community to agree a
non-proliferation treaty, and we must also build a stronger set of the
multilateral organisations, agencies and agreements that will give us the
long-term peace and security that are essential if we are to achieve real
development in the longer term. We must not settle for having a few
measures that will be undermined by the greater insecurity that always
affects countries in the developing world much more than those elsewhere.
Mr. Quentin Davies (Grantham and Stamford) (Con):
I do not want to say a word against the Secretary of
State, for whom I entirely share the esteem already expressed by my hon.
Friend the Member for Sutton Coldfield (Mr. Mitchell). The right hon.
Gentleman made an excellent speech, but it is clear that he did not
succeed in persuading his colleagues, including the Leader of the House,
of the importance of this debate. To allocate only an hour and three
quarters—that is, less than an hour for all the Back-Bench speeches—is
nothing less than contemptuous of the subject.
I am left with trying to make three points in
about four minutes. First, international development is a very peculiar
subject. It is the only one that we discuss in the House where we target
inputs—in no other field would we dream about targeting 0.7 per cent. of
our GDP. It is a very un-businesslike approach, although I accept that we
are so committed to it, psychologically and politically, that we cannot go
back on it. However, we should not deceive ourselves into believing that
spending more money will automatically achieve progress in poverty
reduction.
In fact, the connection between spending money
or targeting inputs and achieving outputs is very uncertain. Sometimes,
the connection may be an inverse one. The western world has spent
something like $2.3 trillion on aid in the past 50 years, with very
inadequate outcomes. For about 20 years, the highest per-capita recipient
was Tanzania under Nyere, but per capita income there fell in that time.
That tells us that we must be quite sceptical.
Secondly, that need for scepticism means that
we must be careful that aid is properly spent. We must ensure that it does
not displace expenditure by recipient Governments away from health or
education programmes and on to arms or greater bureaucracy. We must be
sure that Governments do not pursue the sort of perverse and damaging
economic policies, such as excessive taxation or excessive and perverse
regulation, that only undermine entrepreneurship. We must foster a climate
that encourages foreign investment, and make sure that corruption is
controlled and punished appropriately.
The Government are in a mess in respect of the
whole question of conditionality. They seem to accept it in areas such as
human rights and governance, but not in economic policies. I prefer the
word “partnership” to conditionality, for obvious psychological reasons,
but it is essential that there be a dialogue. Let us be clear: there is no
point in spending our taxpayers’ money if its effect is counteracted by
the recipient state adopting unfortunate and inappropriate policies.
We should not run away from conditionality. In
that context, I am worried about the Secretary of State’s argument with
the World Bank. It is far from clear to me that the conditionality that
the World Bank is imposing is unreasonable. If it is imposing sensible
conditionality on the economic policies pursued by donee countries, we
should support it.
Thirdly, precisely because conditionality is
important, we cannot achieve our purposes in poverty reduction and
development spending in general alone. It is crazy to think that there can
be 25 or 30 bilateral dialogues between 25 or 30 separate donors and a
recipient country. That is hopeless. There cannot be 25 or 30 different
sets of monitoring arrangements or sets of donors demanding several days a
year with key Ministers and officials in the partner or recipient country.
The officials and Ministers would not have time to do anything other than
meet donors. We therefore need to make sure that we co ordinate much more
effectively and systematically than we have done so far. We have done so
sometimes, in an ad hoc way. In some countries we co-ordinate effectively
with other donors. We should make it a rule—we can do this within the
European Union—that we develop one set of policies and have one dialogue
so that we are not sending different signals to our EU partners or to the
Commission. We should agree with them on the strategy for a country. We
should then launch a co-ordinated single dialogue; we should agree with
the donee country on common targets and approaches. We should set up a
single monitoring procedure.
It is much more difficult to do it outside the
EU, but we should do it pragmatically where we can with the World Bank and
other donors. The United States always want to do their own thing; I
understand that. But we can co-ordinate. We should have formal protocols.
The opportunity is there precisely because of the structure of the EU.
I hope that the next time we discuss this
subject we can give it the attention that it deserves. All the rhetoric
about trying to help 2 billion people who are in desperate straits, which
they certainly are, looks pretty empty if the House of Commons cannot even
come up with two hours of time to debate the subject.
Mark Simmonds (Boston and Skegness) (Con):
I join others in complaining about the paucity not of the
quality of debate but of the quantity. It has been far too short. It was,
however, opened by two excellent speeches. The Secretary of State set out
with great clarity the priorities of the White Paper and he was followed
by my hon. Friend the Member for Sutton Coldfield (Mr. Mitchell), the
shadow Secretary of State, who set out in an intelligent, committed and
compelling speech why the Opposition welcome the White Paper, underpinned
by an emphasis on good governance, capability, responsiveness and
accountability.
The White Paper correctly acknowledges the
importance of structural reform, including the necessity to modernise the
multilateral institutions, build individual country structures and develop
absorptive capacity. It rightly considers methods and delivery mechanisms
to focus resources on the alleviation of poverty, tackling humanitarian
crises, preventing conflict and promoting peace, thereby ensuring
security, incomes and public services. For the first time, the White Paper
considered in detail strategies for mitigating and adapting to the threat
that climate change could have on international development. We commend
this ambitious focus.
We welcome and support the continued high
priority to be given to health, education, access to water and sanitation
and prevention and cure of disease, which pose immediate threats to future
development. Confronting those challenges must remain at the forefront of
our efforts if we are to achieve the millennium development goals.
As the right hon. Member for Leeds, West (John
Battle) said, good governance is not simply about democracy. Successful
states require effective institutions such as an independent judiciary, a
free media and strong and pluralistic civil societies. The evidence
suggests that states which are accountable and responsive to their
citizens are stronger and better placed to mitigate and respond to
disasters, and significantly more likely to benefit from economic growth
and attract foreign investment.
It is essential that the international
community work to tackle corruption. Corruption and growth are inversely
related. While it remains less expensive to bribe a Government official to
obtain a concession than to pay the full market price, limited progress
will be made. The White Paper commits to a new quality of governance
assessment, which must be given a wide remit. The current World Bank
assessment of governance is weighted heavily on the degree to which a
country has liberalised its economy, as opposed to, for example, whether
the media are independent. We welcome the governance and transparency
fund, which strengthens civil society and the media, as there is a direct
correlation between countries with a free media and sustained economic
growth.
As the Secretary of State said, economic
growth is the most effective way of alleviating poverty. It creates
independence and ultimately promotes saving and investment, and
contributes to the absorption of future economic shocks. The private
sector creates growth and we welcome the White Paper’s latent recognition
of that fact. Governments in developing nations have a role in ensuring
that the private sector has the optimum environment in which to flourish:
low regulation, access to economic opportunity and competition. In
addition, there must be conditions in which access to credit,
micro-finance and property rights are secure. Developing nations have a
role in providing macro-economic stability. They also have a role in the
world trade system, in which they must be allowed fully to participate
without being restricted by unfair trading rules, as many Members pointed
out. In a modern interdependent global world, economic growth is
impossible without access to global markets and we are all disappointed
that the Doha development round is—to put it politely—deadlocked.
We are also concerned that there is limited
consideration in the White Paper of infrastructure development. Rightly,
there is significant emphasis on providing services such as health,
education and disease prevention, but we must not overlook other
fundamental developmental challenges, such as building transport networks,
communication capabilities and electrification in rural areas. That will
enable regional trade and the expeditious delivery of medical supplies,
and allow countries to develop a diverse and balanced economic base. They
will then be able to graduate from exporting purely agricultural and other
basic commodities to making value-added products.
The real challenge for the developing world is
to enable economic growth and wealth creation, which are the drivers of
poverty alleviation, without causing environmental degradation. Although
the problem of climate change may seem remote by comparison with poverty,
disease and economic stagnation, it will most dramatically affect the
poorest people, who currently rely on rain-fed agriculture for their
livelihood and income. It will also have an impact on population movement,
and create a significant increase in environmental refugees. It is worth
looking at an expansion of greenhouse gas permits on an international
market basis to cut emissions and promote spending on cleaner fuels and
energies.
DFID must ensure that its impacts are taken
into account in every bilateral funding decision, by considering both the
impact of its projects on climate change and how climate change affects
its projects. The Opposition agree with most of the White Paper and
acknowledge DFID’s global reputation as a provider of development
assistance. As a result of the Department’s work, significant progress has
been made in some countries. However, there must be a change in the
fortunes of developing nations; they need the establishment of good
governance and effective state organisations, investment in
infrastructure, wider and deeper debt relief, adaptation to environmental
changes, more robust disease prevention, increased access to public
services, reform of the global trade routes, a strong and pluralist civil
society and more effective conflict prevention, as well as reconstruction,
macro-economic stability and secure property rights.
The White Paper rightly acknowledges many of
those challenges and it is essential that it is translated into effective
and expeditious action. Ultimately, we must assist developing nations to
progress from aid dependency, and that will require sustained economic
growth and wealth creation, not just wealth redistribution.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
International Development (Mr. Gareth Thomas): I
welcome the many contributions to the debate and I recognise the House’s
appetite for further opportunities for lengthier discussion of the issues.
I particularly welcome the support for the
White Paper’s focus on governance. My right hon. Friend the Member for
Leeds, West (John Battle) and the hon. Member for Boston and Skegness
(Mark Simmonds) rightly highlighted the fact that although dealing with
corruption is crucial, we must recognise that the governance agenda is
much broader than that. It includes access to justice and a free media,
the importance of strong civil society, developing effective local
government, a strong civil service and effective Parliaments and ensuring
effective elections. That is all part of the increased work on governance
that we intend to do.
In his opening remarks, the hon. Member for
Sutton Coldfield (Mr. Mitchell) welcomed the White Paper and raised the
question of results. I do not accept his implicit comment, or indeed the
implicit comment of the hon. Member for Grantham and Stamford (Mr.
Davies), that the Department focuses only on inputs, although I accept
that we have to do more to communicate the results of our development
assistance.
My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State
referred to the extremely effective assistance that we are providing in
India. Between 2003 and 2005, that aid helped to give 9.5 million more
children access to primary school. The hon. Member for Grantham and
Stamford is, quite sensibly, pro-European, so he may be interested to know
that the European Commission contributes to that programme of assistance,
as do the Indian Government through their effective programme of
development assistance.
The hon. Member for Sutton Coldfield
questioned the Department’s effectiveness. He asked whether we could be
still more effective, and suggested that we needed an international body
to evaluate donor performance. May I gently remind him of the development
assistance committee of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and
Development, an international force that already evaluates donor
performance? Recently, its representatives visited the Department for
International Development to conduct a peer review, in which they said:
“The UK is currently seen by many aid practitioners and donors as one of
the bilateral models for today’s evolving world of development
cooperation.”
It went on: “DFID has inspired and endorsed
both the Paris declaration on aid effectiveness and the EU action plan on
harmonisation.”
I accept, however, that we cannot rest on our
laurels, and we must still do more.
The hon. Gentleman asked about the arms trade
treaty and the time scale for moving forward. I hope that he will forgive
me, but I do not wish to pre-empt the vote on whether to move forward and
discuss an arms trade treaty that takes place later today. I hope that
voters will decide in favour of progress, and there is considerable
support for that position, but we cannot afford to relax. Rightly, he
raised the issue of the emerging donors—China, India, South Africa and
Brazil. I hope that he is reassured to know that our permanent secretary
recently visited Beijing to discuss China’s role as a donor. Yesterday,
senior officials and I met a delegation of senior officials from China who
are involved in aid programmes, and we discussed the exact issues that he
raised.
John Barrett (Edinburgh, West) (LD):
Will the Minister give way?
Mr. Thomas: In light of the time,
I will not, and I apologise for that.
I join the hon. Member for North Wiltshire
(Mr. Gray) in praising the contribution of Mohammed Yunis. Some 2 billion
people still do not have access to credit, which is one of the factors
that fuels the opium trade in Afghanistan. Britain’s businesses and
financial sector have a role to play in helping us to give people access
to credit, and we are working with them on that issue.
The hon. Member for Richmond Park (Susan
Kramer) asked whether the desire to move from project to programme spend
is driven by Gershon. I can reassure her that projects still have their
place, as budget support is not always appropriate. We use a variety of
aid methods, and we will continue to do so, but if we want to reach all
the poor in a developing country, if we want all children to have access
to primary schools, and if we want all pregnant women to have access to a
skilled attendant, we have to build the Government capacity, and that is
why budget support continues to be important.
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